Major update: 8th January 2022
Do we accept without question a ‘scientific’ view? Are Scientists always right?
White lab coats can be seen in adverts to make the product more credible.
The general public put so much trust in evolution, the Big Bang, and the universe being billions of years old but the alternative solution is not heard.
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1. You can’t question Science – scientists do things right
People are prone to accept without question a ‘scientific’ view, but are Scientists always right?
Some adverts on TV have people in white lab coats to make them more credible.
even science is never free from error. In fact, mistakes are fairly common in science, and most scientists tell you they wouldn’t have it any other way. That’s because making mistakes is often the best path to progress. An erroneous experiment may inspire further experiments that not only correct the original error, but also identify new previously unsuspected truths.
‘These are science’s Top 10 erroneous results’ By Tom Siegfried, November 10, 2020, Science News 2
What is worrying is that some, or perhaps many people, are willing to totally accept what is said.
It is not good to become anti-science but people need to have an open mind about things.
Scientists are not infallible, they can and do get things wrong.
Here is an example of how science can change its view:
2. Intersex babies – are Scientists always right?
Many have not heard of intersex babies:
It’s hard to know exactly how many people are intersex, but estimates suggest that about 1-2 in 100 people born in the U.S. are intersex.
‘What’s intersex?’ by Planned Parenthood 3
There are many different ways someone can be intersex.
Some intersex people have genitals or internal sex organs that fall outside the male/female categories — such as a person with both ovarian and testicular tissues.
Other intersex people have combinations of chromosomes that are different than XY (usually associated with male) and XX (usually associated with female), like XXY.
And some people are born with external genitals that fall into the typical male/female categories, but their internal organs or hormones don’t.
In the mid and late part of the 20th century a scientist, Dr John Money had a theory that was accepted by virtually all other scientists.
The theory was, that the sex of a baby remained ‘fluid’ until about 2 years old, therefore a baby could be ‘programmed’ by its surroundings to be a boy or a girl.
The law at that time required a baby to be recorded as either male or female:
Sometimes doctors do surgeries on intersex babies and children to make their bodies fit binary ideas of ‘male’ or ‘female’.
‘What’s intersex?’ by Planned Parenthood
Doctors always assign intersex babies a legal sex (male or female, in most states), but, just like with non-intersex people, that doesn’t mean that’s the gender identity they’ll grow up to have.”
This fluid sexuality theory quashed other suggestions for many decades.
Then in 2003, it was thought that the sex of a baby was determined in the womb by a small part of the brain. 4
But in 2018 scientists discovered some more things and they had to change their minds again:
Medical researchers at Melbourne’s Murdoch Children’s Research Institute have made a new discovery about how a baby’s sex is determined — it’s not just about the X-Y chromosomes, but involves a ‘regulator’ that increases or decreases the activity of genes which decide if we become male or female…
‘Geneticists make new discovery about how a baby’s sex is determined’ by Science Daily 5
The Y chromosome carries a critical gene, called SRY, which acts on another gene called SOX9 to start the development of testes in the embryo.
High levels of the SOX9 gene are needed for normal testis development.
However, if there is some disruption to SOX9 activity and only low levels are present, a testis will not develop resulting in a baby with a disorder of sex development.
Lead author of the study, Professor Andrew Sinclair, said that 90 percent of human DNA is made up of so called ‘junk DNA or dark matter’ which contains no genes but does carry important regulators that increase or decrease gene activity…”
Science does change it’s views.
Sometimes a big area of research may have two different experiments proving something about the research, but the two experiments are in conflict with one another.
In other words both cannot be right for the research to be a complete theory but both are accepted as both cannot be disproved until more things come to light.
Science often does not create a complete answer to a big subject but does provide lots of provable experiments on parts of the subject which can be updated and altered over time.
3. Calculating the distance of stars – are Scientists always right?
If I said that scientists have come up with two distances for the Polaris star and one calculation is 30% closer, would that cast doubt on how scientists calculate the distance of stars from the Earth?
Polaris… was discovered by Astronomer William Herschel in the year 1780, and up until 1990, was estimated to be 425 light years away from the Earth.
‘Space: Polaris, The North Star is Closer Than Previously Thought’ By Jim Donahue November 30, 2012 6
A European Space Agency’s Hipparcos Satellite put the estimate at 434 light years away in 1990, but all that may have changed.
A new study has indicated that the star is only 323 light years away, 111 light years closer than previously thought…
‘Polaris presents certain anomalies that have so far defied a straightforward interpretation,’ said study leader David Turner of Canada’s Saint Mary’s University. ‘Our high-resolution spectroscopic observations of Polaris may signal the beginning of a new era in understanding the star.’ “
Then later in 21 Mar 2020:
Polaris is the nearest Cepheid to us and as such holds a special place in our understanding of Cepheids in general and the Leavitt Law**.
‘The Curious Case of the North Star: the continuing tension between evolution models and measurements of Polaris’ by Hilding R. Neilson, Haley Blinn 7
In the past couple of decades, we have learned many new things about the star as a Cepheid and as the primary component of a multiple star system.
As such, we are more precisely measuring the mass, radius and evolution of Polaris.
However, as we learn more, it is becoming clear that we understand less.
There is evidence that Polaris is much less massive than stellar evolution models suggest and that Polaris is a much younger star than its main sequence companion.
In this work, we review some of the recent measurements and their connections with past studies.
We then present new stellar evolution models and populations synthesis calculations to compare with the new mass measurements by Evans et al. (2018).
We find that the mass discrepancy for Polaris is about 50%.
We also find that there is a likely age discrepancy between Polaris and its companion, but that there is also a very small probability that the discrepancy is not real.”
** Leavitt law in astronomy is called: ‘A period-luminosity relation’ which is a relationship linking the luminosity of pulsating variable stars with their pulsation period. (Especially for Classical Cepheid variables). 8
Hilding R. Neilson continues the explanation:
That information, combined with new Hubble Space Telescope “parallax” measurements — another way to calculate the distance to the star — lead to very precise numbers on Polaris’s mass and distance. Those measurements say it’s about 3.45 times the mass of the sun, give or take 0.75 solar masses. That’s way less than the mass you get from stellar evolution models, which suggest a value of about seven times the mass of the sun…
‘The Curious Case of the North Star: the continuing tension between evolution models and measurements of Polaris’ by Hilding R. Neilson, Haley Blinn
One possibility is that at least one of the measurements here is just wrong, the researchers wrote.”
Does it matter about getting it right?
Yes, because a lot of things hinge on it:
Solid knowledge of the distance to Polaris will facilitate efforts to determine the Hubble constant and constrain parameters for the mysterious dark energy.
‘Astronomers clash over the distance to the famed North Star’ by Canadian Astronomical Society 30 Nov 2012 9
A reliable distance to Polaris would enable further calibration of the famed Cepheid relations, which lie at the heart of establishing the cosmic distance scale.”
And more reasons for it needing to be correct:
The debate isn’t just academic.
‘Polaris: Not So Close After All – Astronomer rebuts report that the North Star is 111 light-years nearer than thought By Bruce Dorminey 10
Astronomers have used stars like Polaris for decades as ‘standard candles’ in calibrating cosmic distances and estimating how fast the universe is expanding.
If this very basic measurement of Polaris’s distance were to remain in dispute, it would arguably cast doubt on the cosmological distance scale as a whole, and cause astronomers to wonder about the reliability of distance measurements for much of Hipparcos’s 120,000 star catalogue.”
How scientists try to work out the distances of stars
Astrophysicists have a few ways to calculate the mass, age and distance of a star like Polaris:
One method is a stellar evolution model, said new study co-author Hilding R. Neilson, an astrophysicist at the University of Toronto.
‘Something strange is going on with the North Star’ By Rafi Letzter published March 11, 2020 11
Researchers can study the brightness, color and rate of pulsation of the star and use that data to figure out how big and bright it is and what stage of life it’s in.
Once those details are worked out, Neilson told Live Science, it’s not hard to figure out how far away the star is;
it’s fairly simple math once you know how bright the star really is and how dim it looks from Earth.”
Method number two:
But there are other ways to study Polaris, and those methods don’t agree with the stellar evolution models.
‘Something strange is going on with the North Star’ By Rafi Letzter published March 11, 2020
‘Polaris is what we call an astrometric binary,’ Neilson said, ‘which means you can actually see its companion going around it, sort of like a circle being drawn around Polaris. And that takes about 26 years…’
With that information, you can apply Newton’s laws of gravity to measure the masses of the two stars.”
Method number three, the trigonometric parallax (Hubble Space Telescope parallax) measurements:
Distances to stars comparatively near to our Sun can be measured using a technique known as trigonometric parallax.
‘Stellar parallax’ ESA Hubble 13
This can only be done if the star is close enough to show an apparent shift in position relative to much more distant background stars, shown in the upper right of this image.
This requires viewing the star on two different occasions, when Earth is on opposite sides of the Sun (seen lower left).
Telescopes like Hubble can then precisely measure the very small angular displacement of the star between observations.
When this value is combined using geometry with the value for Earth’s orbital diameter, a precise distance can be calculated.
Land surveyors commonly use this triangulation technique.”
4. Areas of science can be in a state of flux
It is good that we get closer and closer to the correct answer.
But we are on this learning journey and we don’t know at any point in time what is the correct and final answer:
A popular theory explaining details of the early universe — called inflation — predicts the presence of blips in the microwave radiation caused by primordial gravitational waves from the earliest epochs of the universe.
‘These are science’s Top 10 erroneous results’ By Tom Siegfried, November 10, 2020, Science News 14
In 2014, scientists reported finding precisely the signal expected, simultaneously verifying the existence of gravitational waves predicted by Einstein’s general theory of relativity and providing strong evidence favoring inflation.
Suspiciously, though, the reported signal was much stronger than expected for most versions of inflation theory.
Sure enough, the team’s analysis had not properly accounted for dust in space that skewed the data.
Primordial gravitational waves remain undiscovered, though their more recent cousins, produced in cataclysmic events like black hole collisions, have been repeatedly detected in recent years.
Scientists can declare something as fact, and then years later it can be discovered to be false.
Over the years, the rock-solid, scientific answers do change.
That is known in the scientific community, but the problem is that where a theory like Big Bang is pushed as being a completely proven solution to the beginning of the universe for ordinary folk.
Sir Karl Popper understands how science works and this has been written about him:
In his view, science is so valuable because of its open-mindedness, because any of its achievements may at any time be given up and newer achievements may be hoped for to replace the relinquished ones.
Science in Flux 15
Science, says Popper, is at constant war with itself, and it progresses by revolutions and internal conflicts.”
A new scientific idea comes along, and the old scientific idea is thrown out.
Remember, what a scientist says is not necessarily correct and true.
Even though they sound very convincing, the opinions of scientists do change.
So in other words, the ‘facts’ that the scientists are giving us now may be correct, or they may be just tossed aside and a new figure given to us.
The problem is that we don’t know where we are along this line of progressive knowledge.
At any and every time the scientists may be convinced that they have got to the final, correct, figure – but we just don’t know that for sure.
5. Science should be in unity with the Bible
If the Bible is ‘God breathed’ and is trustworthy it should be held onto because it cannot be wrong, but it can be interpreted incorrectly.
When reading the Bible we are not sorting out the myth from the truth.
There are different ways of looking at what is written in the Bible, and many agree with four sub-methods of Scriptural interpretation:
- the literal: teaches what God and our ancestors did
- the allegory: where our faith and belief is hidden
- the moral: gives us the rule of daily life
- the spiritual: direct words to us now
Another problem can be that the translation we are using may be slightly wrong – I’ve seen a group of Bible translators spend one whole session on one word, in this case, it was the word ‘slave’ trying to give it the correct rendering in today’s language. (The reason behind this particular example was that the modern word ‘slave’ was very different from the Hebrew meaning of that word).
Over many centuries mankind’s view of the Earth and what was the centre of our universe has changed:
Many mythological cosmologies included an axis mundi, the central axis of a flat Earth that connects the Earth, heavens, and other realms together.
‘History of the centre of the Universe’ Wikipedia 17
In the 4th century BC Greece, philosophers developed the geocentric model, based on astronomical observation;
This model proposed that the centre of the Universe lies at the centre of a spherical, stationary Earth, around which the Sun, Moon, planets, and stars rotate.
With the development of the heliocentric model by Nicolaus Copernicus in the 16th century, the Sun was believed to be the centre of the Universe, with the planets (including Earth) and stars orbiting it.”
Later scientists had more theories based on their calculations of their time:
In a treatise in 1755, Immanuel Kant elaborated on Wright’s idea about the structure of the Milky Way.
‘History of the centre of the Universe’ Wikipedia
In 1785, William Herschel proposed such a model based on observation and measurement, leading to scientific acceptance of galactocentrism, a form of heliocentrism with the Sun at the centre of the Milky Way.”
Later still more insights were found so the theories changed:
The 19th century astronomer Johann Heinrich von Mädler proposed the Central Sun Hypothesis, according to which the stars of the universe revolved around a point in the Pleiades.
‘History of the centre of the Universe’ Wikipedia
And again:
In 1917… Curtis was able to estimate that Andromeda was 500,000 light-years away.
‘History of the centre of the Universe’ Wikipedia
As a result, Curtis became a proponent of the so-called “island Universes” hypothesis, which held that objects previously believed to be spiral nebulae within the Milky Way were actually independent galaxies.”
Then in 1925
Edwin Hubble settled the debate about whether other galaxies exist in 1925 when he identified extragalactic Cepheid variable stars for the first time on astronomical photos of M31…
‘History of the centre of the Universe’ Wikipedia
Hubble also demonstrated that the redshift of other galaxies is approximately proportional to their distance from Earth (Hubble’s law).
This raised the appearance of our galaxy being in the centre of an expanding Universe.
However, Hubble rejected the findings philosophically:
‘…if we see the nebulae all receding from our position in space, then every other observer, no matter where he may be located, will see the nebulae all receding from his position.
However, the assumption is adopted.
There must be no favoured location in the Universe, no centre, no boundary; all must see the Universe alike…’..”
See more about Hubble’s law on expanding galaxies: ‘How old are the stars and the universe?’
How do all these different scientific theories make you feel? This will have a big effect on how we trust the Bible.
Throughout these changing scientific facts, many Christians would have been influenced by these new findings.
From our earthly viewpoint, it does look as if we are at the centre of the universe.
Scientists then confirmed this idea but the Bible doesn’t actually say that.
Then science proved that the Earth orbits the sun and that we are in a HUGE universe.
Many Christians would have been shaken by that, but their interpretation had gone further than what the Bible is saying.
So let’s hold lightly onto what the scientists tell us, because in a few decades they may be proved wrong.
See an article on: What is truth?
Can we really trust Wikipedia, education, TV and newspapers?
Jesus said:
I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.”
Matthew 5:18 NIV
Many scientists are unknowingly being steered away from the Bible’s creation of the world by their belief that there is no God, which in practice means that they would rather choose any theory,- provided it doesn’t rely on God.
There are problems with the Big Bang and other theories.
References open in new tabs:
Scientist image: thanks to Serif RESOURCE CD ↩
‘These are science’s Top 10 erroneous results’ By Tom Siegfried, November 10, 2020, Science News ↩
Thanks to the Horizon Programme BBC2 “The Boy Who Turned Into a Girl” 31/07/03 ↩
‘Geneticists make new discovery about how a baby’s sex is determined’ by Science Daily ↩
‘Space: Polaris, The North Star is Closer Than Previously Thought’ By Jim Donahue November 30, 2012 ↩
‘The Curious Case of the North Star: the continuing tension between evolution models and measurements of Polaris’ by Hilding R. Neilson, Haley Blinn ↩
‘Period-luminosity relation’ Wikipedia ↩
‘Astronomers clash over the distance to the famed North Star’ by Canadian Astronomical Society 30 Nov 2012 ↩
‘Polaris: Not So Close After All – Astronomer rebuts report that the North Star is 111 light-years nearer than thought’ By Bruce Dorminey. Science. 18 Jan 2019 ↩
‘Something strange is going on with the North Star’ By Rafi Letzter published March 11, 2020 ↩
‘These are science’s Top 10 erroneous results’ By Tom Siegfried, November 10, 2020, Science News ↩
Photo credit: Smithsonian Institution ↩
5 responses to “4. Are Scientists always right, consistently infallible?”
I doubt they would believe that. People are capable of believing all kinds of things and I suspect they have something in their heads that justifies only giving “lip service.”
I totally agree with you when you say “but ultimately one should be careful about how far one goes in the other direction.” if you have got the ‘Fundamentalist’ type of Christianity in mind (where the words ‘severe’ ‘judgemental’ ‘legalistic’ and ‘joyless’ may describe them).
On the other hand I would disagree – if someone didn’t WHOLEHEARTEDLY embrace the teachings of Jesus and commit themselves to Him then they would be at best just be showing lip service and at worst would actually be a fraud.
It seems unfortunately that that is the case. Although me and my housemates might giggle when an advert proclaims the products was developed WITH SCIENCE!!! the fact is many people will take that as confirmation.
Similarly news stories often take extreme bits of preliminary research and sensationalise them, then people get confused when a contradictory article is published the next day.
So care should be taken to understand how science works, but ultimately one should be careful about how far one goes in the other direction.
Thanks Adam for your comment.
I am not against science – it is a wonderful tool to discover things, and I guess scientists know their fallibility, but I’m not so sure the general public are so aware of the fallibility side of it – hence my post.
My unwritten assumption is that a number of people see Christians as ‘blindly accepting’ the Bible. For me that is the ‘faith’ bit in something we believe to be true.
The post was emphasizing what I have observed, and feel is not recognised, that there are people who accept the statements of science without questioning it – a ‘blindly accepting’ it through ‘faith’ if you like.
I hope I have fully understood your comment.
But both scientists and religious-types are examining an allegedly unchanging source – reality and the Bible respectively – and then making potentially fallible observations about it.
Thus to compare the source of one with the interpretation with the other is to make a false comparison. The source of both remains fairly consistent and the interpretations of both can be wrong.
As such to dismiss one as fallible whilst accepting another is ultimately unfounded, at least on this line of reasoning.