Major update: 20th December 2021
Now we come to day four of creation in Genesis where those objects of astronomy are spoken into existence in the Bible.
The creation of the sun moon and stars.
But surely we run into a problem because God said “Let there be light,” on day one and there was light and now God is saying that the sun, which gives us light now, was formed when it was already light?
The natural mind says that light has to be the sun, but was it?
There can be two solutions to this dilemma:
- God created the sun when He said “Let there be light” on day one and a thick, dense atmosphere obscured the sun from view – but it still gave light. Now on day three, the clouds parted to reveal the sun, moon, stars, etc.
- On day one God created a light which was not the sun – like in Revelation at the end of the world where God Himself gave the light.
Which answer is correct? Is Genesis scientific?
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1. Unscientific and illogical verses in the Bible
Here are the most illogical verses – for the human brain, so does that make those verses ‘wrong’?
God NOW saw it fit to mention the creation of the sun moon and stars and planets AFTER light had appeared on day one of Creation!
But everyone knows that the Sun provides us with energy, heat and light…
And God said,Genesis 1:14-19 NIV
‘Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth.’
And it was so.
God made two great lights–the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night.
He also made the stars.
God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness.
And God saw that it was good.
And there was evening, and there was morning–the fourth day.”
The Bible may seem illogical, but when we look at the Big Bang theory (which Popular Science on TV tells us is fact and proven) we see that it is nowhere near a ‘complete’ answer and that there are huge areas which are unanswered.
To accept the Big Bang theory is unscientific.
Even the most uncivilised and backward tribes know that the Sun provides us with heat and light.
See articles on the other days of creation: ‘Does Genesis fail scientific study when looking at day 1?‘
On Creation days 2 and 3 the atmosphere takes a complete day and vegetation appears on the following day.
2. Understanding by faith the Creation of the sun moon and stars
So if anyone was to write an account of the beginning of the world, it would be intellectual suicide to create the Sun at this point.
But God does!
By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.”Hebrews 11:3 NIV
Faith says that God commands and things come into existence.
But science completely hits a brick wall at this point because things cannot be made out of nothing.
Perhaps God was showing us that we don’t need the Sun to survive, God can provide the right conditions without the Sun.
So I will have to say it again:
Perhaps God was showing us that we don’t need the Sun to survive – just like the Bible’s description of the end of the world and God’s eternal City:
(God’s) city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light…”Revelation 21:23 NIV
Here’s an article on: ‘God named day, night, sky, land, sea and stars but not others – why?‘
And another article: According to their kinds – Does science threaten Genesis?
3. Did the creation of the sun moon and stars happen before day four?
Some people believe that the Sun, moon, planets, and stars were created before this day four, and thick cloud cover hid them from view, (the creation account being described as if viewed from the earth).
So at this point on day four the thick clouds separated and so the sun was revealed giving the appearance that these objects in space had just been created.
But if that was the case, we would have to blatantly ignore the sentence construction of this verse:
‘Let there be lights’ (v. 14) is identical in grammatical construction with other statements of ‘let there be…’ in the chapter.Workman, Gary (1989), “Questions from Genesis One,” The Restorer, 9[5/6]:3-5, May/June. 3
Therefore the command can only mean that God spoke the luminaries into existence on the fourth day just as he had created the initial light on day one and the firmament on day two (Gary Workman 1989, p. 3).”
Therefore, if we read the day four verses correctly with an open mind, we have to agree that God’s Creation of the sun moon and stars happened on day four and not on an earlier day, however illogical (even to the earliest people on earth).
The description of the day stills remains identical: “And there was evening, and there was morning–the fourth day.” therefore the length of the ‘day’ must be identical.
See this article on could early mankind write? Was the Bible just passed down by oral traditions passed on, or because Adam was created as a mature person, God had given him the ability to read and write from the very beginning?
See this article: The Garden of Eden. Was it a parable or was it a true real place? Look at geographical details to show that this was not a myth.
4. The creation of the sun moon and stars was for a reason
God tells us that these “lights in the expanse of the sky” were “to give light on the earth’.
But the Sun was not only to shed light; the Sun, moon, planets, and stars were put there to:
serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years”Genesis 1:14 NIV
The phases of the moon, our orbit around the Sun, and the movements of the stars, all help man measure time.
The Babylonians, Egyptians and Greeks knew when a solar eclipse would take place:
Surviving records have shown that the Babylonians and the ancient Chinese were able to predict solar eclipses as early as 2500 BCE…‘Solar Eclipses in History’ by Aparna Kher4
Clay tablets found at ancient archaeological sites show that the Babylonians not only recorded eclipses—the earliest known Babylonian record is of the eclipse that took place on May 3, 1375 BCE—but were also fairly accurate in predicting them.
They were the first people to use the saros cycle to predict eclipses.
The saros cycle relates to the lunar cycle and is about 6,585.3 days (18 years, 11 days, and 8 hours) long.”
Historians have been able to give a fixed date to certain events in history, because they have fallen on a certain eclipse, or whatever:
Chinese chronology can be confirmed accurately by eclipses from the 8th century BCE (during the Zhou dynasty) onward.‘Uses of eclipses for chronological purposes’ Britannica 5
The Chunqiu chronicle, mentioned above, notes the occurrence of 36 solar eclipses between 722 and 481 BCE – the earliest surviving series of solar eclipse observations from any part of the world…
The chronology of Ptolemy’s canon list of kings – which gives the Babylonian series from 747 to 539 BCE, the Persian series from 538 to 324 BCE, the Alexandrian series from 323 to 30 BCE, and the Roman series from 30 BCE onward—is confirmed by eclipses.
The eclipse of 763 BCE, recorded in the Assyrian Chronicle, makes it possible to carry the chronology back with certainty through the period covered by that eponym canon to 910 BCE.
Identifiable eclipses that were recorded under named Roman consuls extend back to 217 BCE.
The lunar eclipse seen at Pydna in Macedonia on June 21, 168 BCE, and the solar eclipse observed at Rome on March 14, 190 BCE, can be used to determine months in the Roman calendar in the natural year.
Furthermore, eclipses occasionally help to fix the precise dates of a series of events, such as those associated with the Athenian disaster at Syracuse in 413 BCE…”
See a detailed article covering: ‘Scientific inaccuracies, and other supposed Bible errors‘
In trying to work out when the Star of Bethlehem occurred we can narrow it down by seeing if it was a star, or several stars, or planets.
Logical orbits and retrograde orbits
Some scientists would say ‘ridiculous’ to Genesis’ description.
In their eyes, the planets were formed from the Sun, and then they gradually cooled and became solid planets.
But that theory runs into some problems:
All eight planets in the Solar System orbit the Sun in the direction of the Sun’s rotation, which is counter clockwise when viewed from above the Sun’s north pole.‘Retrograde_and_prograde_motion’ Wikipedia 6
Six of the planets also rotate about their axis in this same direction.
The exceptions – the planets with retrograde rotation – are Venus and Uranus.
Venus’s axial tilt is 177°, which means it is rotating almost exactly in the opposite direction to its orbit.
Uranus has an axial tilt of 97.77°, so its axis of rotation is approximately parallel with the plane of the Solar System.
The reason for Uranus’s unusual axial tilt is not known with certainty, but the usual speculation is that during the formation of the Solar System, an Earth-sized protoplanet collided with Uranus, causing the skewed orientation…”
Here’s a mind-blowing statement from thirty three of the top scientists:
‘The big bang today relies on a growing number of hypothetical entities, things that we have never observed….’
See it here.
This is a puzzling situation.
In past decades, astronomers have also discovered planets in distant solar systems with retrograde orbits.EarthSky ‘What is retrograde motion?’ 7
These exoplanets orbit their suns in the opposite direction from how the star rotates.
This is puzzling because planets form out of debris disks that orbit young stars, disks which share the star’s rotation.
The only way to get a planet orbiting backwards is either by a near-collision with another planet or if another star once passed too close to the system.
Then some of the moons also have retrograde orbits.
If formed in the gravity field of a planet as the planet is forming, a moon will orbit the planet in the same direction as the planet is rotating and is a regular moon.‘Retrograde_and_prograde_motion’ Wikipedia 8
If an object is formed elsewhere and later captured into orbit by a planet’s gravity, it can be captured into either a retrograde or prograde orbit depending on whether it first approaches the side of the planet that is rotating towards or away from it.
This is an irregular moon.”
Whether science can answer these questions boils down to how much faith you have in those scientists or not.
Evolution creates as many questions as it seeks to answer!
A good question to ask is ‘Are Scientists always right and are they consistently infallible?’
Many scientists believe in the Genesis account.
5. Frequently asked questions (FAQ)
When did God create sun moon and stars?
On the 4th day of Creation:
God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night…
God made two great lights – the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.
God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness.” (Genesis 1:14-19 NIV)
Why did God create the sun the moon and the stars?
The phases of the moon, our orbit around the Sun and the movements of the stars, all help man to measure time.
The Babylonians, Egyptians and Greeks knew when a solar eclipse would take place…
‘God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so.
God made two great lights – the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.
God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness.’
What are the 7 days of creation in order?
Day 1: ‘In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep…
And God said, “Let there be light…” ‘
Day 2: ‘God said, “Let there be a vault…” God called the vault sky…’
Day 3: ‘God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear…” ‘
‘God said, “Let the land produce vegetation…” ‘
Day 4: ‘God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night…”He also made the stars…” ‘
Day 5: God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth…”
Day 6: ‘God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds…”
Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky…” ‘
Day 7: ‘God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested…’
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‘When Were the Sun, Moon, and Stars Created?’ Apologetics Press ↩